Like a crazy cat lady, but with kids

Does anyone else find the whole octuplets story disturbing?

First, there’s the whole issue of how much the media kvells over mega-multiple births (as long as they’re the right color, of course, or not immigrants) * or women who have child after child because Gawd commands it. TLC has essentially become The Litter Channel, with multiple shows dedicated to glorifying enormous mutliple births (Jon and Kate Plus Eight) or right-wing Quiverful families (17 Children and Counting, though now there are 18), in which this kind of family is presented as gosh darn wacky and loving, with nary a mention of the downside, such as the health problems that mega-multiple babies can have, the enormous expense (both medical and non-medical, the toll on the mothers’ bodies, and in the case of the Duggars, the fact that the whole enterprise is held together by the labor of teenage and preteen girls who shoulder almost the entire daily burden of caring for their siblings and parents (seriously — each child has a “jurisdiction,” which for the girls is “doing all the cooking or laundry for 20 plus childcare for any younger sibling who’s been weaned at 6 months so Michelle can get pregnant again” and for the boys is “walking the dog.” There’s a reason the Duggar girls all look exhausted). It doesn’t help that suppliers of baby products, such as Pampers, rush in to donate diapers or other items (sometimes even houses and minivans) — at least for a while. Once the cameras go away, you’re still left with a huge number of infants to change, clothe and feed.

Then there’s the rather disturbing statements the grandmother of the octuplets has made about her daughter:

LOS ANGELES - The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week conceived all 14 of her children through in vitro fertilization, is not married and has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, her mother said.

Angela Suleman told The Associated Press she was not supportive when her daughter, Nadya Suleman, decided to have more embryos implanted last year.

“It can’t go on any longer,” she said in a phone interview Friday. “She’s got six children and no husband. I was brought up the traditional way. I firmly believe in marriage. But she didn’t want to get married.”

Nadya Suleman, 33, gave birth Monday in nearby Bellflower. She was expected to remain in the hospital for at least a few more days, and her newborns for at least a month.

A spokeswoman at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center said the babies were were progressing daily, with all eight breathing unassisted and being tube-fed.

While her daughter recovers, Angela Suleman is taking care of the other six children, ages 2 through 7, at the family home in Whittier, about 15 miles east of downtown Los Angeles.

She said she warned her daughter that when she gets home from the hospital, “I’m going to be gone.”

Angela Suleman said her daughter always had trouble conceiving and underwent in vitro fertilization treatments because her fallopian tubes are “plugged up.”

There were frozen embryos left over after her previous pregnancies and her daughter didn’t want them destroyed, so she decided to have more children.

Her mother and doctors have said the woman was told she had the option to abort some of the embryos and, later, the fetuses. She refused.

Her mother said she does not believe her daughter will have any more children.

“She doesn’t have any more (frozen embryos), so it’s over now,” she said. “It has to be.”

Nadya Suleman wanted to have children since she was a teenager, “but luckily she couldn’t,” her mother said.

“Instead of becoming a kindergarten teacher or something, she started having them, but not the normal way,” he mother said.

Her daughter’s obsession with children caused Angela Suleman considerable stress, so she sought help from a psychologist, who told her to order her daughter out of the house.

“Maybe she wouldn’t have had so many kids then, but she is a grown woman,” Angela Suleman said. “I feel responsible and I didn’t want to throw her out.”

I know we’re not supposed to judge women for their reproductive choices, but frankly, this whole thing stinks. And there are a whole lot of people who are affected by this woman’s decisions, from her family (she and her children live with her mother in a small house, and her father has apparently gone back to Iraq — a war zone — where he worked as a contractor, in order to help support the new babies) to her children to the people who will likely wind up being charged higher insurance premiums because of the cost of caring for her and her children,** who are likely to have ongoing medical care. And what about her six older children? A neighbor said that one of her sons has autism. With eight infants introduced to the family, what kind of attention will be paid to his needs?

But if this woman is so obsessed by having children that she’s now had 14 children in 7 years and may only be stopping because she’s run out of frozen embryos, one has to think that she has some serious psychiatric issues that need looking into rather than indulged with fertility treatments. The problem is, we’re not supposed to judge women who want to have lots of children, we’re supposed to look at every birth as a “miracle” and as desirable, we’re supposed to ooh and ahh over the vast medical team assembled for the delivery, we’re supposed to find it heartwarming that government resources are used during a massive disaster to save frozen embryos rather than finding and rescuing real live people, we’re supposed to say that isn’t it great that she was pro-life, had a choice, and refused a selective reduction that would have resulted in fewer, but healthier, and possibly full-term babies.

What we’re not supposed to do is view her as a collector of children and/or pregnancies similar to a cat collector. It’s not difficult to agree that someone with 14 or more cats is someone who’s probably at least overwhelmed and may even be mentally ill, especially if the cats are not properly cared for and half-feral even as the owner insists that she loves her kitties. But in a society that fetishizes huge multiple births, that follows Angelina Jolie around and trumpets trumped-up news of any new sign of a “baby bump” on her (FFS, the woman just had twins, of course she’ll have a little belly for a while), that (as noted above) treats the raising of huge numbers of multiple-order children as wacky-but-manageable, that treats any sign of a woman not being fully into the motherhood experience as evidence of bad morals at the very least, where contraceptive funding as part of an economic-stimulus package is considered controversial because lawmakers can’t conceive (NPI) of children having any sort of economic impact on a family, it’s taboo to discuss whether the desire to have a lot of children is a healthy thing or whether it’s an indication that the amassing of children, without regard to the raising of those children, is itself the goal.

Little psychological research has been conducted on the reasons some mothers seem hooked on repeated pregnancies. David Diamond, a co-director for the Center for Reproductive Psychology in San Diego, said mothers can be drawn to repeat pregnancies for a number of reasons, with some finding the experience so satisfying they choose to become surrogates.

Diane G. Sanford, a psychologist and author specializing in women’s reproductive mental health, said while she doesn’t know much about Nadya Suleman’s background, women that have obsessive-compulsive disorder can become fixated on different obsessions.

“Her obsession centers around children, having children and being a mother,” she said. “To what degree are her esteem and identity based on being a mom and why has this from a young age been such a preoccupation of hers?”

We’re not supposed to suggest that what she may need is psychiatric help instead of more children she’s ill-equipped to care for.

Not every choice is equally a good choice. And while you may well have the right to make a bad choice, that doesn’t mean that the choice can’t be criticized. Sort of like free speech — I’ll defend your right to say stupid, offensive shit, but that doesn’t mean I can’t call it stupid and offensive.

Sure, she’s a grown woman, but she has needed the help of doctors to get pregnant. Doctors have certain ethical obligations. Did not one of these doctors look at the number and spacing of the children she already had, and the circumstances in which she lived, and say, “No”? Or maybe one or more doctors did say, “No,” but she eventually shopped her frozen embryos around to someone who wanted her (or Kaiser’s) money more than he wanted to consider the ethical implications. ***

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* One of the few times you’ll hear of anything negative about high-order multiple births is when they’re born to poor or immigrant couples or single women (as here). I encourage you to read this piece about quadruplets born to a Mexican immigrant woman in Los Angeles; she already had six children, including a set of triplets conceived using fertility drugs that she asked a woman she knew to bring back from Mexico. The article is notable as well for its condemnation of the patriarchy, at least as practiced among immigrant enclaves; the mother had her tubal reversed and then had seven more children because her husband wanted a son. Her sisters, who left LA and moved to non-immigrant-enclaves like Kentucky, don’t feel the same pressure to have so many children to please their husbands.

** The estimated cost to deliver and care for these babies is in the millions of dollars. And fat people can’t get insurance even if they’re perfectly healthy because something *might* happen someday.

*** I’ve read that the standard number of implanted embryos for a woman under 35 undergoing fertility treatment is no more than two. It’s unclear whether that was the number implanted; I’ve seen speculation that because the mother was taking fertility drugs, the implanted embryos divided. It was also believed that there were 7 fetuses, not 8.

11 Responses to “Like a crazy cat lady, but with kids”


  1. 1 evil fizz

    There’s a lot of weirdness going on in this situation. I’ve been trying to formulate some coherent thoughts on the subject, but it’s hard. Having lived in bioethics land, any physician who was complicit in implanting 8 embryos should have their licensing board asking some tough questions. Implanting that many embryos carries enormous risk for the mother and any children she might have. (Fatalities in higher order multiples are not uncommon, even with modern medical intervention.)

    I am also appalled by the idea that someone would seek sponsorship in order to support a decision that ultimately seems incredibly ill-advised and potentially dangerous.

    My sister and I were full-term twins, weighed in as normal weight for singletons, and had no trouble. But my mother definitely went to La Leche League with women who didn’t have such a good experience, even with just twins. I cannot fathom

  2. 2 Zuzu

    Yeah. I feel for the other kids, too. It’s hard enough being one of six and getting any sort of individualized attention (as I know from experience). But with eight new infants, assuming they all survive?

  3. 3 sam

    The thing that appalls me about the situation is the complete lack of any ethics on the part of the doctor. All sorts of doctors are up in arms about a doctor that would implant 8 embryos at once. Highly suspicious.

  4. 4 FashionablyEvil

    I have heard (unsubstantiated) speculation that she was taking fertility drugs that induce ovulation and then was artificially inseminated (without the doctor doing the insemination knowing about the fertility drugs).

    I’m also having a hard time conceptualizing the whole thing. Your children are not dolls or baseball cards or cars or anything else that you collect. They’re human beings who deserve your love and attention and I think anyone who doesn’t view their children that way should see a psychiatrist (or not have children).

    I just can’t believe that what we’ve heard so far is even close to the whole truth, though. There are so many missing details: Who was this mysterious doctor who implanted 8 embryos? What doctor in his/her right mind would do such a thing? Why is a healthy woman who already has 6 children seeking and receiving infertility treatment?

  5. 5 Kat

    This has been a hard story to watch. The doctors seem irresponsible, the mother seems to need psychiatric care, the grandparents seem to be long-suffering, and these 14 children seem to be in a very precarious situation. Hardly a joyous event.

  6. 6 Zuzu

    <i>I have heard (unsubstantiated) speculation that she was taking fertility drugs that induce ovulation and then was artificially inseminated (without the doctor doing the insemination knowing about the fertility drugs).</i>

    It sounds like, from that story I posted about the Mexican immigrant woman who had quads, fertility drugs are readily obtainable in Mexico. And another story I read (though I can’t find it ATM) speculated it was possible for her doctor to have implanted fewer than 8 and they multiplied due to the fertility drugs. Which makes some sense, but you’d think that the doctor would have been testing her hormone levels, you know?

    Something very, very weird is going on.

    And I have to say, this kind of thing really bugs me because of the way I was treated when I started to seek a tubal. It was a big deal to find a doctor who’d even consider doing it, then I had to submit to her “You’ll change your mind” blather, then I had to wait a state-mandated 30 days. The whole process was designed to remind me that there was something unnatural about a woman who didn’t want kids, and the default idea was that I was mentally defective. It also bugs me because lesbians who want to have assistance to conceive are often turned away from clinics.

    But a hetero woman who already has six kids under 7 years old and a history of mental problems? Let’s give her more kids, paid for by insurance!

  7. 7 Kat

    What is the source of the insurance?

    Any thoughts on the attention being paid to her marital status (or lack thereof)? I hate that being married is always hailed as the golden ticket of parenting — if she was just married, everything would be okay.

  8. 8 G

    No one I know thinks this is other than obscene and feels anything but that the dr should have his license revoked. I think the poor children should be put into loving homes (if they survive). I think the woman should be prevented from having children, forcefully as necessary, because children deserve quality of life.

  9. 9 Zuzu

    The babies were born at a Kaiser Permanente hospital, so presumably, she has Kaiser insurance (if I’m not mistaken, Kaiser’s hospitals serve Kaiser policyholders, but Californians can correct me). I haven’t heard who’s paying for it, or whether she’s employed. If she did have a job, chances are she won’t be going back to it with that many young children to take care of.

    I think her marital status is driving some of the negative coverage, and that’s as obnoxious as it is predictable, because yes, the media treats multiple births as sunshine and roses if the parents are married and at the very least middle-class if not upper-middle-class (see, e.g., Jon and Kate Plus Eight). I think that there’s a presumption that only married couples of a certain class get fertility treatments, and the issue of providing for this many kids, with or without a husband, isn’t really discussed with any kind of clarity, partly because those nice married-couple sunshine-and-roses parents of mega-multiples often get showered with freebies. And, of course, having babies when you’re not married is Shameful, at least officially.

    But I think the real thing that started the freakout was the news that she had so many very young children *already.* And I think that might have freaked people out even if she were married, but it might have freaked them out differently — I think it might actually lead to more discussion of the ethics of fertility clinics and doctors this way. If she were married, the ethical issues, in terms of the doctors’ role and her mental health, might not be so stark because the husband would be a confounding factor — some of the questions might be shifted onto him and off the doctors.

  10. 10 Interrobang

    YES. THIS. What you said.

    I thought I was the only person in the world who was saying, “This smells hinky to me, and it smells exactly like someone who has fourteen cats in a tiny apartment, or like someone who dies alone, and then when people go in to empty the house out, find the place stacked floor to ceiling with old newspapers, machine parts, 40 years’ worth of phone books, two hundred pounds of unsorted, unopened mail, wrapping paper, packing boxes, and seventeen broken telephones piled carefully in a corner.”

    Of course, as you so articulately elaborated, everyone’s supposed to see massively multiple births as wonderful and miraculous and the pinnacle of female aspiration, I’m not sure how many people have ever thought to apply the “collector” (or “hoarder”) paradigm to babies. What seems particularly noteworthy to me (or at least seems to be a big “tell”) about the Suleman case is that Suleman’s older children are getting to the age where they’re no longer babies; they’re not cute, sweet, and cuddly anymore (inasmuch as babies are cute, sweet, and cuddly, a proposition I personally find highly dubious), and might be capable of having their own opinions on things.

    I figured I just had a difference of opinion with the world because I genuinely do not like babies at all, and the thought of gestating makes me blanch.

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