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8 Responses to “Just when I thought I’d gotten my book collection under control…”

1. 1 Disgusted Beyond Belief
   Jun 3rd, 2008 at 7:30 am

   Firstly, and on topic, you can’t sell your books! Too many books are just a sign that you need to move into a larger place and buy more bookshelves.

   Secondly, not on topic, but inspired by your earlier post where you asked why vote for Obama, I have a question for you (and for any other Hillary Clinton supporters) - If Obama is named the nominee, and Hillary Clinton then personally asks you (and all of her other supporters) to vote for Obama in November, will you tell her no?

2. 2 Zuzu
   Jun 3rd, 2008 at 8:16 am

   1) But if I sell the books, then other people can read them, and I’ll have money to buy new books.

   2) It’s not up to her, it’s up to him. Obama needs to convince me to vote for him, and my feelings about him are independent of my feelings about her.

   3) Why does everyone think that I’m some kind of rabid Clinton supporter? In any event, I’m not her little monkey. I don’t have to dance just because she tells me to.

3. 3 Zuzu
   Jun 3rd, 2008 at 8:20 am

   Also — whether or not I decide to vote for him (and you’ll never know whether I did, because I don’t discuss my votes), it’s not going to matter. I live in New York, and if my vote is going to make or break him here, then he’s got far, far bigger problems than my vote can help him with.

4. 4 Disgusted Beyond Belief
   Jun 4th, 2008 at 8:40 am

   1) That is a good point, though for me, I figure my kids can read my books when they are old enough (they are 2.75 and 0.25 years of age right now) and I just love my books too much to ever get rid of any of them. I have the same problem with DVDs.

   2) Presumably people can possibly be convinced to vote for a given candidate by a third-party’s arguments - in fact, you must accept that premise, otherwise your earlier post asking Obama supporters to give you their best arguments to vote for him was a total waste of time. Granted, I wasn’t talking about arguments here, but you did say it wasn’t up to her, it was up to him. She may be a third-party doing some convicning in that regard, particularly if she ends up VP.

   Since you don’t discuss your vote, does that mean you also don’t actively endorse or help any candidates, either? (I mean, because to do so would rather loudly telegraph your vote)

   I was wondering if another thread like your post asking for Obama supporters to ask why vote for Obama might be interesting - but asking it of Clinton supporters and for the reasons they’d ask Obama supporters to vote for Clinton (acting under the assumption that Clinton, not Obama, was the nominee) with the same rules for not saying anything about McCain or Obama.

   Then you could compare the two afterwards - perhaps if supporters from both sides see where they have common ground in that area (and where they don’t) that would be somewhat illuminating.

5. 5 Zuzu
   Jun 4th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

   Well, the exercise was premised on the idea that Obama was the likely nominee, and that he would have to win over her supporters (and anyone who hadn’t voted for him). If she were to have been the nominee, I’d have asked the same thing of her supporters.

6. 6 Kat
   Jun 4th, 2008 at 6:41 pm

   Whatcha got?

7. 7 Zuzu
   Jun 5th, 2008 at 5:11 am

   Books-wise? Shitloads.

   They’re all packed up now, but when I get them unpacked, I can give you a call.

8. 8 Disgusted Beyond Belief
   Jun 5th, 2008 at 5:51 am

   Yes, I realize the premise behind the Obama question - I’m suggesting asking it again, this time of Clinton supporters, pretending that she had won the primary - not because people now need to be convinced they need to vote for her, but to see what the answers are, the reasons to support her as articulated by those who did, for the purpose of comparing those answers to the answers given in the Obama thread - It would be interesting to see the similarities and differences in the candidates that convinced their respective supporters to vote for them.

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