Comments on: Mind the gap http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/04/mind-the-gap/ Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:43:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: BetaCandy http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/04/mind-the-gap/#comment-462 BetaCandy Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:49:39 +0000 http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/04/mind-the-gap/#comment-462 Sorry, I <i>was</i> being facetious. I just really didn't phrase it well at all. Sorry, I was being facetious. I just really didn’t phrase it well at all.

]]> By: littlem http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/04/mind-the-gap/#comment-428 littlem Wed, 08 Aug 2007 03:15:20 +0000 http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/04/mind-the-gap/#comment-428 "Like it or not, degrees are a major factor in hiring and in salary determination. Perhaps even bigger than gender and race." Given the fact that a wink follows the last statement, and I took the post to mean that the education levels (at least in terms of degrees granted, L.L.M.s excepted) for a given class of firm associates are comparable, I'm going to assume you're being at least somewhat facetious. Either that, or I need to find a way to widely publicize the fact that some white guy with just an H.S. diploma showed up - and actually received an interview - for a law firm associate's position that I, cum J.D., would also be interviewing for. “Like it or not, degrees are a major factor in hiring and in salary determination. Perhaps even bigger than gender and race.”

Given the fact that a wink follows the last statement, and I took the post to mean that the education levels (at least in terms of degrees granted, L.L.M.s excepted) for a given class of firm associates are comparable, I’m going to assume you’re being at least somewhat facetious.

Either that, or I need to find a way to widely publicize the fact that some white guy with just an H.S. diploma showed up - and actually received an interview - for a law firm associate’s position that I, cum J.D., would also be interviewing for.

]]> By: BetaCandy http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/04/mind-the-gap/#comment-412 BetaCandy Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:31:24 +0000 http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/04/mind-the-gap/#comment-412 I was amused to see this stat resentfully and eye-rollingly reported by a female reporter on my local news the other day. She kept emphasizing the details ("young women" in "urban areas") very slowly, as if to urge us to take it with a grain of salt. In addition to the shortcomings you identified, there's no context on earth in which the earnings of college-degreed persons should be compared to those without degrees. Like it or not, degrees are a major factor in hiring and in salary determination. Perhaps even bigger than gender and race. ;) I was amused to see this stat resentfully and eye-rollingly reported by a female reporter on my local news the other day. She kept emphasizing the details (”young women” in “urban areas”) very slowly, as if to urge us to take it with a grain of salt.

In addition to the shortcomings you identified, there’s no context on earth in which the earnings of college-degreed persons should be compared to those without degrees. Like it or not, degrees are a major factor in hiring and in salary determination. Perhaps even bigger than gender and race. ;)

]]> By: More on the pay gap at Kindly Póg Mo Thóin http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/04/mind-the-gap/#comment-376 More on the pay gap at Kindly Póg Mo Thóin Mon, 06 Aug 2007 03:49:42 +0000 http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/04/mind-the-gap/#comment-376 [...] not just getting married and having kids that’ll cost you pay if you’re a woman — being perceived as “angry,” [...] […] not just getting married and having kids that’ll cost you pay if you’re a woman — being perceived as “angry,” […]

]]> By: aeroman http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/04/mind-the-gap/#comment-374 aeroman Mon, 06 Aug 2007 01:46:20 +0000 http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/04/mind-the-gap/#comment-374 A little bit ago I spent some time familiarizing myself on the existing literature on the suburban income gap. Complicated, contentious stuff. A little bit ago I spent some time familiarizing myself on the existing literature on the suburban income gap. Complicated, contentious stuff.

]]> By: Mnemosyne http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/04/mind-the-gap/#comment-366 Mnemosyne Sat, 04 Aug 2007 20:23:14 +0000 http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/04/mind-the-gap/#comment-366 I was thinking about this today and wondering if a more useful metric would be not the age of the worker, but the number of years of work experience. I can understand why a woman who took, say, four years off to have a child is making less money than men her chronological age. I don't understand why she should <i>continue</i> to make less money throughout her career AND get leapfrogged, salary-wise, by younger men with fewer years of work experience. I was thinking about this today and wondering if a more useful metric would be not the age of the worker, but the number of years of work experience. I can understand why a woman who took, say, four years off to have a child is making less money than men her chronological age. I don’t understand why she should continue to make less money throughout her career AND get leapfrogged, salary-wise, by younger men with fewer years of work experience.

]]> By: Mighty Ponygirl http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/04/mind-the-gap/#comment-365 Mighty Ponygirl Sat, 04 Aug 2007 18:53:06 +0000 http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/04/mind-the-gap/#comment-365 I have to admit, I've done pretty well for myself (not that I compare paychecks or anything but just in general). Maybe it was the fact that the first political rally I'd ever attended was a Pay Equity rally at the state capital, maybe it's because I'm not afraid to use the phrase "inequitable" in salary negotiations if I feel like I'm being given the short straw. Either way, if you're damn good at your job, it's not a bad idea to remind people of the fact every once in a while so that they know that you know what you're worth. :) I have to admit, I’ve done pretty well for myself (not that I compare paychecks or anything but just in general). Maybe it was the fact that the first political rally I’d ever attended was a Pay Equity rally at the state capital, maybe it’s because I’m not afraid to use the phrase “inequitable” in salary negotiations if I feel like I’m being given the short straw. Either way, if you’re damn good at your job, it’s not a bad idea to remind people of the fact every once in a while so that they know that you know what you’re worth. :)

]]> By: confused, maybe not http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/04/mind-the-gap/#comment-361 confused, maybe not Sat, 04 Aug 2007 18:00:09 +0000 http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/04/mind-the-gap/#comment-361 thanks. i added your suggestion. by the way, you write extremely well. i really enjoy reading your posts here and your comments at LGM. Thanks confused, maybe not thanks. i added your suggestion. by the way, you write extremely well. i really enjoy reading your posts here and your comments at LGM.
Thanks
confused, maybe not

]]> By: Zuzu http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/04/mind-the-gap/#comment-360 Zuzu Sat, 04 Aug 2007 16:30:03 +0000 http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/04/mind-the-gap/#comment-360 Not at all! Though you might want to clarify that the footing-the-bill language was in response to that Ohio father-permission bill. Not at all!

Though you might want to clarify that the footing-the-bill language was in response to that Ohio father-permission bill.

]]> By: confused, maybe not http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/04/mind-the-gap/#comment-359 confused, maybe not Sat, 04 Aug 2007 16:12:42 +0000 http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/04/mind-the-gap/#comment-359 zuzu, i hope it's okay that i posted a link to your site at Philosopher's Playground http://philosophersplayground.blogspot.com/, and took your comments from LGM on mens' role(s) during pregnancy. i really like what you had to say. if it's not okay, i'll take it down. zuzu,
i hope it’s okay that i posted a link to your site at Philosopher’s Playground
http://philosophersplayground.blogspot.com/,
and took your comments from LGM on mens’ role(s) during pregnancy. i really like what you had to say. if it’s not okay, i’ll take it down.

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