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		<title>By: I&#8217;m starting to wonder about Broadsheet at Kindly Póg Mo Thóin</title>
		<link>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/07/14/unfriendly-skies/#comment-283</link>
		<author>I&#8217;m starting to wonder about Broadsheet at Kindly Póg Mo Thóin</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 05:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] O RLY? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] O RLY? [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/07/14/unfriendly-skies/#comment-132</link>
		<author>Thomas</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/07/14/unfriendly-skies/#comment-132</guid>
		<description>About the whole "making the other passengers nervous" thing ...

I travel a fair amount on business.  I flew weeks after 9/11.  It has been six years.  It's time to get over it.

The plane is not going to blow up because a small child says something that only sounds sinister to paranoid adults.  People praying in the back of the plane are not going to blow the plane up.  Several Arabs sitting together are not planning to blow the plane up.  Terrorist attacks in the US are, actually, really, really rare.  And if you happen to be on the one plane that is downed by terrorist attack, none of the otherwise unremarkable shit you think you notice is really a clue; it will happen without apparent warning and there is nothing you can do about it.  Sit down, shut up, and if you can't control your irrational fears, see a doctor.  I hear Xanax works wonders; and if that doesn't work, take two Ambien and sleep through the landing.

I am so sick of one highly coordinated terrorist attack being used as an excuse for people's anxieties and bigotries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the whole &#8220;making the other passengers nervous&#8221; thing &#8230;</p>
<p>I travel a fair amount on business.  I flew weeks after 9/11.  It has been six years.  It&#8217;s time to get over it.</p>
<p>The plane is not going to blow up because a small child says something that only sounds sinister to paranoid adults.  People praying in the back of the plane are not going to blow the plane up.  Several Arabs sitting together are not planning to blow the plane up.  Terrorist attacks in the US are, actually, really, really rare.  And if you happen to be on the one plane that is downed by terrorist attack, none of the otherwise unremarkable shit you think you notice is really a clue; it will happen without apparent warning and there is nothing you can do about it.  Sit down, shut up, and if you can&#8217;t control your irrational fears, see a doctor.  I hear Xanax works wonders; and if that doesn&#8217;t work, take two Ambien and sleep through the landing.</p>
<p>I am so sick of one highly coordinated terrorist attack being used as an excuse for people&#8217;s anxieties and bigotries.</p>
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		<title>By: Mighty Ponygirl</title>
		<link>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/07/14/unfriendly-skies/#comment-127</link>
		<author>Mighty Ponygirl</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/07/14/unfriendly-skies/#comment-127</guid>
		<description>Yeah. I'm sorry, if anyone ever got nervous because a three year old was repeating "bye bye plane" I wouldn't suggest that the three year old be tranquilized. What if the three year old kept having to use the bathroom on the flight ZOMG MAKING A BOMB IN TEH LAVATORIEZ!!!1!!one!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. I&#8217;m sorry, if anyone ever got nervous because a three year old was repeating &#8220;bye bye plane&#8221; I wouldn&#8217;t suggest that the three year old be tranquilized. What if the three year old kept having to use the bathroom on the flight ZOMG MAKING A BOMB IN TEH LAVATORIEZ!!!1!!one!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
		<link>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/07/14/unfriendly-skies/#comment-126</link>
		<author>Kat</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/07/14/unfriendly-skies/#comment-126</guid>
		<description>"I really doubt that the only thing the kid was doing was saying “bye-bye” quietly." 

I thought the whole thing was about the fact he was saying "bye bye plane"... which the flight attendant said was making some passengers nervous (in terms of planes going bye-bye from terrorist attacks). I didn't think this issue was about a misbehaved/loud child so much as a child who unknowingly used a very unfortunate choice of words in the wrong environment? From there, it sounds like it escalated... which gets back to the behavior of the adults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I really doubt that the only thing the kid was doing was saying “bye-bye” quietly.&#8221; </p>
<p>I thought the whole thing was about the fact he was saying &#8220;bye bye plane&#8221;&#8230; which the flight attendant said was making some passengers nervous (in terms of planes going bye-bye from terrorist attacks). I didn&#8217;t think this issue was about a misbehaved/loud child so much as a child who unknowingly used a very unfortunate choice of words in the wrong environment? From there, it sounds like it escalated&#8230; which gets back to the behavior of the adults.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
		<link>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/07/14/unfriendly-skies/#comment-125</link>
		<author>Kat</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/07/14/unfriendly-skies/#comment-125</guid>
		<description>Karen... 

We once had an issue where the airlines booked my then-3-year-old son on a different PLANE for a nonstop flight from Hawaii to New Jersey. No amount of reasoning with the agent could convince her that my child should fly on the same airplane as me and his dad. So finally, I just said, "Well, at least I'll have a quiet flight... not sure about my son's rowmates but I'm sure you know best."

New seats were assigned immediately and we all flew on the same plane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen&#8230; </p>
<p>We once had an issue where the airlines booked my then-3-year-old son on a different PLANE for a nonstop flight from Hawaii to New Jersey. No amount of reasoning with the agent could convince her that my child should fly on the same airplane as me and his dad. So finally, I just said, &#8220;Well, at least I&#8217;ll have a quiet flight&#8230; not sure about my son&#8217;s rowmates but I&#8217;m sure you know best.&#8221;</p>
<p>New seats were assigned immediately and we all flew on the same plane.</p>
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		<title>By: Mighty Ponygirl</title>
		<link>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/07/14/unfriendly-skies/#comment-120</link>
		<author>Mighty Ponygirl</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/07/14/unfriendly-skies/#comment-120</guid>
		<description>Well, *I* can't wait to get on a plane tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, *I* can&#8217;t wait to get on a plane tonight.</p>
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		<title>By: julia</title>
		<link>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/07/14/unfriendly-skies/#comment-117</link>
		<author>julia</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/07/14/unfriendly-skies/#comment-117</guid>
		<description>Karen Smith, that is (just realized there were two)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen Smith, that is (just realized there were two)</p>
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		<title>By: julia</title>
		<link>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/07/14/unfriendly-skies/#comment-116</link>
		<author>julia</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/07/14/unfriendly-skies/#comment-116</guid>
		<description>Karen, I've flown lately, I have a lot of experience flying with an infant/toddler, and I have no idea what you're responding to. You seem to be indignantly refuting something I don't think anyone's said, and you did it rudely.

I really don't think this is the best way to advocate for children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen, I&#8217;ve flown lately, I have a lot of experience flying with an infant/toddler, and I have no idea what you&#8217;re responding to. You seem to be indignantly refuting something I don&#8217;t think anyone&#8217;s said, and you did it rudely.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t think this is the best way to advocate for children.</p>
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		<title>By: Zuzu</title>
		<link>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/07/14/unfriendly-skies/#comment-113</link>
		<author>Zuzu</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 03:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/07/14/unfriendly-skies/#comment-113</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But I doubt I’d ever drug a 2-year-old for saying bye-bye and I would be really irritated if someone suggested it. That said, it sounds like the whole thing could have been avoided by some common sense on the side of the flight attendant and/or the mom. At that age, children are fairly easy to distract from whatever they are focused on at that moment. It sounds like it became less about how to get the kid to stop and more about a battle of the wills between the two adults.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I really doubt that the only thing the kid was doing was saying "bye-bye" quietly.  This is, after all, a complaint in a lawsuit, where the mother has an interest in making the facts look good for her.

But yeah, I'm in agreement that the real dispute was between the adults.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I am so sorry to have been introduced to this web site by Pandagon.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I'm sorry, too.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I take it the other people posting haven’t flown lately.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right, because if someone doesn't agree with you, they must not have flown lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But I doubt I’d ever drug a 2-year-old for saying bye-bye and I would be really irritated if someone suggested it. That said, it sounds like the whole thing could have been avoided by some common sense on the side of the flight attendant and/or the mom. At that age, children are fairly easy to distract from whatever they are focused on at that moment. It sounds like it became less about how to get the kid to stop and more about a battle of the wills between the two adults.</p></blockquote>
<p>I really doubt that the only thing the kid was doing was saying &#8220;bye-bye&#8221; quietly.  This is, after all, a complaint in a lawsuit, where the mother has an interest in making the facts look good for her.</p>
<p>But yeah, I&#8217;m in agreement that the real dispute was between the adults.</p>
<blockquote><p>I am so sorry to have been introduced to this web site by Pandagon.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, too.</p>
<blockquote><p>I take it the other people posting haven’t flown lately.</p></blockquote>
<p>Right, because if someone doesn&#8217;t agree with you, they must not have flown lately.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Smith</title>
		<link>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/07/14/unfriendly-skies/#comment-111</link>
		<author>Karen Smith</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 02:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/07/14/unfriendly-skies/#comment-111</guid>
		<description>I am so sorry to have been introduced to this web site by Pandagon. There are plenty of people who openly hate children - orientation has nothing to do with it. And guess what, most of them do not have childern. Being child-free does not make one anti-child. Telling someone to drug their child into compliance _does_.

The WORST traveling experiences I have ever had involve drunken men. Kids have nothing on drunks in the air. But, of course, they are easier to belittle and bully.

I take it the other people posting haven't flown lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so sorry to have been introduced to this web site by Pandagon. There are plenty of people who openly hate children - orientation has nothing to do with it. And guess what, most of them do not have childern. Being child-free does not make one anti-child. Telling someone to drug their child into compliance _does_.</p>
<p>The WORST traveling experiences I have ever had involve drunken men. Kids have nothing on drunks in the air. But, of course, they are easier to belittle and bully.</p>
<p>I take it the other people posting haven&#8217;t flown lately.</p>
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